MZ:thinking_face: 1:06 PM
My position is that Trans people should not be grouped with LGBT folx, and by extension embraced by society, as they suffer from a physiological abnormally, be that body dysmorphic disorder or something else, which is fundamentally different from a genetic sexual preference, like homosexuality
baldeagle:ghus: 1:06 PM
that is also my position
MZ:thinking_face: 1:07 PM
Homosexuality is "natural" in that we see animals doing gay shit nonstop
baldeagle:ghus: 1:07 PM
well, LGB heh
1:07
sans T
MZ:thinking_face: 1:07 PM
But this trans phenomenon is an all together new thing
1:07
And it's basically an illness we're trying to shape into a gender identity
baldeagle:ghus: 1:07 PM
Kat was like "what if Hazel was trans, you'd just be like 'get over it?'" and I was like "no I'd be deeply fearful for her life and worried about why she is fundamentally disconnected from her own biology.
1:08
I also said "my first thought would be 'how can we keep this kid alive and reasonably happy?'"
MZ:thinking_face: 1:08 PM
Yeh. The person with trans issues needs treatment, not a VH1 TV show
baldeagle:ghus: 1:10 PM
the thing is like... if you are a biologically female, and you want to be "male" - what is it exactly that you want? you wanna sleep with women? work on greasy muscle cars? cut your hair short? go for it. no issues for me there. but you simply are not and will never be male. whatever "male" is to you is what you are not. you do not have testes. you will not father children. solving this conflict is not a matter of "transitioning" to me. it's fundamentally a matter of helping someone out of a cycle of deep self-hatred.
MZ:thinking_face: 1:10 PM
Societal embrace of "Trans rights" has a lot of terrible downstream effects from silly shit like men atheletes professionally competing against female athletes, and obviously winning (robbing some students of college scholarships for example) to truly nefarious shit like prepubescent gender reassignment surgery.
baldeagle:ghus: 1:11 PM
it's so weird that society has blamed themselves for the self-hatred of other people. like there's no amount of external acceptance that will resolve this inner conflict. it has to be dealt with as an individual's struggle with themselves.
MZ:thinking_face: 1:11 PM
Yeh. Shit is fucked up
1:12
Willing to vote Trump 2024 over this
baldeagle:ghus: 1:12 PM
aha
1:12
I mean like, being gay seems entirely normal and in fact uninteresting
1:12
but trans man... that shit is obviously unhealthy
MZ:thinking_face: 1:12 PM
If this isn't the downfall of Western Civilization I don't know what is
baldeagle:ghus: 1:13 PM
ahah
1:13
maybe we'll be wrong
1:13
and our kids will identify as alien genders we don't even know of yet
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and think we're old hateful bigots
MZ:thinking_face: 1:13 PM
Mitesh is uncomfortable by the reality of this but admits they should not necessarily be grouped with his gay indian ass
baldeagle:ghus: 1:13 PM
"someone else's club"
MZ:thinking_face: 1:14 PM
Studies ive looked at show that by a large prorpotion kids who feel their gender is misaligned grow out of it and many become gay
1:14
Good reason enough for me to not cut any dicks off
baldeagle:ghus: 1:15 PM
what feels a progressive thing to do is to eliminate expectations of behavior or preference for genders
1:15
like boys can like whatever colors they want
1:15
girls can play with whatever trucks they want
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etc
MZ:thinking_face: 1:15 PM
Yeh I'm down w that
baldeagle:ghus: 1:15 PM
dgaf about what you're into and stupid ass historical associations
1:15
but man, keep your gentials in tact
MZ:thinking_face: 1:15 PM
My adopted clan of black children will be in charge of their sneaker selection
baldeagle:ghus: 1:16 PM
what if you identified as a different race
1:16
or felt that you always wanted your arm to be cut off
MZ:thinking_face: 1:16 PM
Why is Kat freaked out about any of this
baldeagle:ghus: 1:16 PM
eh she's not
1:16
I think it's just uncomfortable the way it is for Mitesh
MZ:thinking_face: 1:16 PM
I've always felt a lil bit Korean ... Down there
baldeagle:ghus: 1:16 PM
like I think it can be seen as a slippery slope towards hate
MZ:thinking_face: 1:16 PM
In many ways Mitesh is my Kat. Minus the chicken fiasco
baldeagle:ghus: 1:16 PM
but for me I think kinda the opposite
1:16
ahah
1:17
like I feel like this position on the notion of being Trans is actually compassionate
1:17
it identifies a deep need that isn't being met by this other crazy bullshit
MZ:thinking_face: 1:17 PM
Yeh I'm just trying to preserve people's goods
baldeagle:ghus: 1:17 PM
and at least asks how that can be addressed
MZ:thinking_face: 1:17 PM
But the chief thing that's missing is that we need to call a spade a spade
baldeagle:ghus: 1:17 PM
for me like, I don't want people to be deeply misaligned with their bodies in any way because it's terrible for their health and wellbeing
1:17
but cutting your dick off doesn'tg et you closer
MZ:thinking_face: 1:17 PM
What were dealing with is an abnormality
baldeagle:ghus: 1:17 PM
and you're still just as likely to kill yourself
MZ:thinking_face: 1:18 PM
It's not a new identity
1:18
We should outline our Trans position in a manifesto
1:18
Get those far right clicks
baldeagle:ghus: 1:18 PM
man I'm not tryiong to shoot up any grocery stories here
1:18
just my opinion
1:19
leave the manifestos to certain pitbull-craving gun-toters
1:19
that shall remain nameless
MZ:thinking_face: 1:23 PM
Ahah
1:24
I wanna write this up. I'm tired of explaining it over and over
1:24
Point people to my website
baldeagle:ghus: 1:24 PM
happy to spin up trans.meathouse.org
New
MZ:thinking_face: 1:26 PM
oh man do it
1:26
why does the Blink Mini camera not rotate
1:26
ghetto ass chinese cameras $20 cheaper rotate